Monday, November 16, 2009

Is it ok for men to hit women in the chest out of self-defense?

Not trying to offend any women here but I%26#039;m curious..





Is it ok for men to hit women in the chest out of self-defense? Or would it consider sexual assault?|||Yeah, why don%26#039;t you do just that and see how far you get.





%26quot;Not trying to offend any women here but I%26#039;m curious.%26quot; Right.|||If an aggressor, regardless of genitalia, threatens a felony (homicide), the victim has the right to fight back but only if he or she 1) cannot escape, 2) cannot wait for police to arrive, 3) and responds only in defense adequate to DEFEND not to attack in retaliation. Self defense within the legal system is not at all about %26quot;getting even%26quot;, or, %26quot;all%26#039;s fair in fights%26quot;, or %26quot;she hit me first so that means I can hit her back.%26quot; If attacked and one can escape, or can call the police and fails to do so or becomes aggressive with retaliatory violence, the original victim is then considered to be an aggressor in the eyes of law and both parties can be arrested and charged with crimes and civil suit. Laws vary from state to state. But, the above conditions stand in all states. If a woman grabs a man%26#039;s testicles in self-defense, that is not considered to sexual assault. But, %26quot;groping%26quot;, stroking, licking, attempting to insert objects into bodily orifices ect. during a struggle would get sexual assault charges added to whatever else the moron ends up in jail over. You%26#039;d be amazed at how many men stupidly end up in prison for five year terms for sexual assault after a woman slaps them, for example, and who whine their heads off that it was part of their code of chivalry related to %26quot;self-defense%26quot; against a woman. Men need to get the message out there loud and clear that being attacked by a woman does NOT give the victim any RIGHTS to molest her or rape her or aggress back except with minimal force unless one%26#039;s life is endangered or one cannot escape. When attacked, slapped, slugged, kicked, whatever, back off, call the police and send that person to court. Do NOT join in on the stupidity if at all avoidable or lose the moral high ground and end up in court, too.


http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d030.htm|||Yea, if she attacked you in the balls first for no reason and you survive, go for it. But remember the world generally believes women first, so be prepared for a battle in court.|||If the situation calls for it, then yeah. All%26#039;s fair in war.


Just curious though, why do you always say that you are not trying to offend women? Why would you say that when it seems you are not worried or concerned about women in the first place?|||Yeah, although you better have some kind of proof, because she%26#039;ll almost certainly be believed in court over you, because we all know women wouldn%26#039;t lie, right?


I don%26#039;t mean to offend anyone with that, that%26#039;s the way the court system works.|||Some women have no compunction about kicking men in the genitals, some even revel in it. So therefore yes, it is perfectly permissible to strike her in the busters.





We are not talking legalities here, we%26#039;re talking right and wrong and common sense.|||yes it would be considered a defenses move if she is attacking you or a male with some sort of weapon like a knife or any other sharp object, then it would be self defense sexual assault is when a man attacks a woman and forceably grabs her breasts and other private parts of her body





Oh by the way do not hit a woman in her chest unless she is attacking you with some sort of weapon. Block with your left and strike with your right|||%26quot;During the course of defending yourself you cannot use force greater than what it takes to stop the attack%26quot;





Sometimes, to stop the attack it%26#039;s necessary to knock the assaulter unconscious, otherwise you%26#039;ll get charged at relentlessly, even more if your aggressor is armed and very emotionally disturbed or under the effect of certain drugs.|||For self-defense, he should blow her head off.|||Yeah... and a hammer punch there would cause a cardiac arrest!|||its fine in self defense...though you may end doing her more damage than she did to you.





but i doubt the woman would even be thinking about sexual assualt if she was in pain anyhow.





now if you... say...grabbed her boob and making honking noises...then id say she may get pretty offended|||If she was assaulting him and he did it to save himself, it is understandable Violence by women against men happens too. It is not heard about, because what man would go to a bar and say his wife bashes him up. I feel sorry for some men who have aggressive wives and sorry for women too, but it is not always the fault of a man|||Honestly, it really depends on the circumstance. I would argue that in most cases, there is no way to prove that the man hit the woman out of %26quot;self defense%26quot;. It would naturally be looked upon that the man was abusing her. Men are typically more muscular, taller and physically powerful than women. For a woman to be attacking a man, and for him to not hurt her more so by attacking back is nearly impossible. Anyways, no woman wants to be hit in any situation-- unless she%26#039;s drawn a weapon on you-- this would change it all.|||Self-defense? Yeah.





If you hit me first, though, you won%26#039;t get that opportunity. Just so we%26#039;re clear.|||No more sexual assault than a woman kicking a man in the groin. Self-defense is self-defense. Whatever works to get the assailant to stop (using reasonable force, that is).|||Sure. It woudlnt be sexual assault though because the mens rea element thats required to assign criminal liablity, requires that it must be of sexual nature, which it isn%26#039;t.|||%26#039;Excessive Force:


How This Can Change Self Defense Into A Crime%26#039;





%26quot;It is a common belief that if you injure someone during the course of defending yourself that you are safe from prosecution. In reality, this is not the case. There is a fine line between self defense and assault and knowing where that line is could safe you a large fine and some serious jail time.





This fine line is called excessive force. During the course of defending yourself you cannot use force greater than what it takes to stop the attack. Where this line is drawn depends greatly on what state you are in, the type of attack, the victim and the attacker. There are so many variables that it often becomes hard to define what is self defense and what is a counter attack.





A safe general guideline would be only do what it takes to stop the attacker and get away from them. If you are at a nightclub and someone hits you, it is safest to walk away from the incident as opposed to hitting the person back. If the person follows you and continues to attack you, it then makes it necessary to hit back in order to stop the attacker. Often people think in this situation that if they are hit first and retaliate, they will legally be off the hook. Not so, at the very least you will both be charged with disorderly conduct.%26quot;





So I%26#039;ve spelled it out for you S-L-O-W-L-Y.


Dya get it now?


It doesn%26#039;t take much to confuse you now does it?


Still not clear? Ask an attorney, but in the meantime:





During the course of defending yourself you cannot use force greater than what it takes to stop the attack.





During the course of defending yourself you cannot use force greater than what it takes to stop the attack.





During the course of defending yourself you cannot use force greater than what it takes to stop the attack.





During the course of defending yourself you cannot use force greater than what it takes to stop the attack.





During the course of defending yourself you cannot use force greater than what it takes to stop the attack.





During the course of defending yourself you cannot use force greater than what it takes to stop the attack.





During the course of defending yourself you cannot use force greater than what it takes to stop the attack.





ETC.|||I don%26#039;t consider punching in the chest sexaul assault. Regarding self defense hitting in the chest does seem better than hitting in the face. But I will point out that the the only time it%26#039;s okay to hit a female period under exceptional circumstances where he%26#039;s protecting himself or others from an woman of superior strength or fighting skills whom he can%26#039;t restrain any other way or if she%26#039;s stabbing him beating him with a weapon perhaps. I personally think Patios and Alien and Catherine had the best answers despite getting thumbs down and I don%26#039;t care if I get a thumbs down it%26#039;s about what%26#039;s morally right since men are superior to women in size, strength and fighting(althought not always the case). People will argue this will the talk of equality but as I stated before this one thing most women with some exceptions are not equal to men in. Other wise a man can walk away, restrain her, hold her down if he has to. A stronger man will show restraint and use only the reasonable amount of force needed. Of course it%26#039;s not right for anyone to hit period and the ones who do will have to risk the consequences. That%26#039;s all I have to say about the subject.|||If they hit you i would think that they think they can fight a man an should be treated as such. But, I have never had to defend myself i just leave before it escalates.|||If you feel physically threatened by her, fine, but I don%26#039;t think the chest should be at the top of your list of weak spots. It just doesn%26#039;t seem helpful to me.|||A man should never hit or strike back against a woman in any circumstance.


Men are supposed to protect women. They are our %26quot;Knights in Shining Armour%26quot;

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